I've been thinking about creating a lazylaces forum, something that would have a general forum to let people chat in, and maybe threads for some of the more popular games (where I believe the site comments get a bit unwieldy). What do you think? The site comments would still exist (in their current format), I'm hoping a forum would complement these and rather than replace them. The forum would require registration (I have enough trouble with spam on the comments), but I don't think anyone would have a problem with this, would you?
Anyway if you want to check out the sort of thing I'm thinking of look at snitz which is the free forum code I'm thinking of using (I really don't have time to do all that coding myself), and if you'd like to express you opinion add a comment on this post, or better still try the first lazylaces poll:
Entry 1525, Thursday, December 1st 2005, Filed In Diary
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Prym
:second.. xD
Mighty Goddess
:Third! AND YES
P.android
:long time visitor, first time commentor (coz even if i dropped a line i'd usually be the 140th or smthg >_< 4th!
Meme
:obviously, the only function a forum would serve would be to increase the number of sites on which people could post inanities like "first!" without even bothering to read the thread description. oh, and then the rest of us could argue about whether it was stupider to post "first!" or to call such posters n00bs, dweebs, and (to paraphrase my grate freind Molesworth) swots, sneaks, cads, prigs and various other chizzes.
in short, i'm all for it!
Eve
:6th! ;-D
Daves_mot
:I'd register for it - go for it ! don't know if it would cut down on the comments section tho.....
Ke
:Oooooh a forums a great idea...I doubt the first thing would actually happen in a forum thread, mainly because thats just dumb.....but then again[/sarcasm]
I like the idea though, Id join the forums
Helanren
:Well Graeme, personally I like the Lazylace setup as it is now, because the page layout is "quiet" to the eye and each comment takes up only a small part of the full page. It is easy to read successive comments.
In the Snitz type forums, you tend to see only about three or four comments at the time. Each post takes up a lot of space especially if a lot of member info is included (cf Nordinho). Imagine to have to scroll 3 pages down just to get past the 1st, 2nd...10th posts each thread starts with!
It gets even worse if you also use separate pages (like Nordinho) requiring a mouse click to advance, but Snitz seems to keep it all on one page from the testpages I have seen.
However, you mentioned you will also keep comment pages in the current format, so if other people like to have separate forums in addition, that's fine with me.
Maggie
:hi, I'm not a regular 'commenter' but a very regular visitor to this site, which I think is superb as it is. I agree with Helanren. I used to be a Nordinho fan but since he changed to the new format and added all the features, modorators, member signatures that take up the whole screen etc. I find it all too much for me... It looks great but is just too busy and 'frightening'. I really wouldn't like to see Lovely Lazylaces go the same way.
Thanks Grayham :D
Graeme
:Just to be clear, the site would stay as it is - the forum would be seperate and used to post general comments and for "special" games.
Tafkam
:okay, THAT'S the way to increase user interest -- say things like " 'special' games," wink wink nudge nudge.
Molly
:I'm a long-time lurker, and probably have only commented twice, but I visit the site daily and keep up on the latest musings (Triskabiblios, anyone? ;) ). I like the comments as they are - much more concise and easier to follow, no extraneous info (avatar, # of posts, etc). The focus is on the individual topic. Plus, its a LOT easier to keep up with than a forum would be. Each topic has ONE thread, as opposed to a huge selection. (And, I suspect, less drama would come up if we just had comments section...most forums that I've seen have tended to get snippy and dramatic). Just my two cents. :) And, just to poke some fun... I'm thirteenth!! (I think). ;)
Molly
:Also - I would regret to see a strict "hierarchy" at lazylaces. Graeme is the owner, and we all love him for it. But start getting moderators, and people will whine and get angry when their posts are edited or flamed, or too much "authority" is coming from a community we used to feel at home in. I predict, anyway.
Madam Mayhem
:Meme
I take offense to that comment. i read the entire post and i voted. i just didn't post about it. :P
Kat (the other one)
:I'm in two minds about this. A forum would make walkthrough/spoiler/hint discussion a lot easier. On the other hand, like some of the other commenters, I'd absolutely dread the forums turning into something like Nordinho, and let's face it, there's some risk of that. The whole "first" and chatspeak business is usually an indicator for the sort of posters who have enormous signature pictures, elaborate avatars, make posts with two billion smileys, tlk lyk dey nvr went 2 skool LOLZ ^^ and so on and so forth... and that would completely defeat the biggest advantage forums have, easier discussion of games.
Think~Pink
:Forums are a good way to keep up to date with the games, (many of them get pushed to later pages and therefore forgotten), and registering is a good way to go, especially on your part Graeme, it will help keep the spam to a minimum, but I really don't mind LL as it is.
I do think that there is a danger of one overshadowing the other, and people missing out on information about games, (and maybe being forced to register with forums even if they don't really want to), to get it.
I can't see there would be much point having 2 separate areas. I think it will just divide the community you have worked so hard to build up.
Having said this, I would register if you did incorporate them and visit them regularly, as I like LL too much to give up, (besides...I'm very nosey :oP)
The only gripes I have with the set up as it is, are inane spam, uneccessary language, spoilers not being hidden, (but these are down to us, the users), and the fact that still active games are pushed further and further down the list of pages, as you add new stuff.
Forums might cure all of that, but I don't know if the pros would outweigh the cons.
I like the comments as they are, but I am a fan of forums too, so I really don't mind if you use them or not...it won't stop me visiting. I know I'm not much help :o(
Incidentally, on most forums, including those at Nordinho, you can alter your settings so you don't have to view avatars, signatures etc, thus giving you just the information you need, and want, to see :o)
Molly
:I liked Kat's point about the forums providing a good way to keep up with walkthroughs and whatnot. But, couldn't we get things like that at places like Nordinho and such instead? Maybe not, because some games are introduced here...but I would think that the network between lazylaces and some of the other forums would eventually result in a trickling of sorts. Oh well. She made a good point, though :)
Maeger
:I do rather like the lazylaces in the blog style, but am not totally opposed to a forum. It is rather unweildy to go back and find old games in the current set up. As long as it doesnt devolve into l334 speak and n00bs roxxors hey let's set up an IRC room :)
Adam
:Graeme - Thanks for kind of taking my idea on board, but as you said to me...you should really be the only moderator....If I didn't trust Londoners I wouldn't be marrying one :)
Kina
:i really lOVE this website :)
Kina
:Graeme thanx for making a good website
Anomie49
:No, I heart Lazylaces! I don't do change! Please don't change the layout. It's so simple now... forums just complicate things.
Meme
:personally, i would love to hear more from Graeme -- one of the things i miss about "the old days" (i.e. last year) was Graeme's hints, that was where i learned to appreciate the value of a tactful hint. i don't know if forums would make that more possible, but i suspect it might make it less likely, since Graeme would be busier. (is that even POSSIBLE?0
on an unrelated note, if someone takes offense at the fact that i think it's ineffably inane to post "first!" without commenting on the actual topic of the thread, i can see two options: stop posting inane posts, or ignore my opinion since you obviously disagree with me. but of course, if you're enjoying being offended, then go for it.
Adam
:Meme - I doubt anybody would take offense at that. In fact, I enjoy that people post 'first!' when they can. It adds character to the site and means we get to hear something from the people who do not post as much as me, you and several others
Jemma
:I LOVE this website too! Although it does deprive me of my sleep sometimes! And I like the first post thing, it's quite exciting if your the one posting it! (not that i ever have - but I would be if I did get to be here first)!
I'm not keen on the idea of a forum... I think it works really well the way it is and it's not bitchy or sarcy.
Adam
:Graeme - seriously, if the forum is a seperate entity I'd do it, but just think, if you are the sole moderator it's going to eat up a LOT of your already precious time....And I'm sure I speak for the majority when I say none of us here could be trusted with moderating the site lol
Desktop
:no... =C
Desktop
:no... =C
Rt
:I love this site as it is, but wouldnt mind having forums.
On the other hand, it would mean that Greame would spend more time maintaining the site and less time posting some of his great links.
Thanx for so much entertainment!
Meme
:on yet another unrelated note, this time when i visit the site, there's actually some COPY above the "vote" buttons -- this morning it was blank.
but the copy stops short with the line "Anyway if you want to check out the sort of thing I'm thinking of look" -- UNTIL i highlight the space under it, then the rest appears (even after i stop highlighting -- i.e., black text magically appears).
and then disappears again, in random spots. i assume this is because of the "vote" buttons, but if that's the way the proposed forum is going to work, it's not going to work very well.
unless this is just happening because i use the despised IE. in which case, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Mike
:please no...it's much better the way it is. in fact, over half of the comments are barely even necessary
Detroitrah
:I have to agree with the majority posts. I love this site, I hate the idea of forums. this is a daily checked site for me. The first after the news. I only go to the other sites like nitro 59 or nordinho after, but what always keeps me here is the setting. Its like a home site for a lot of us who have been following you through the last few years. We love that we recognize one another and the set up works more than fine. Please don't change it like nordinho. Its one of the reasons, grant you far down on the list, but never the less one of the reasons I love your site more.
Murtaugh
:as for me the LL is fine just as it is. no forum needed. Does my voice count twice, since Im a LL content provider? :D
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Madam Mayhem
:Meme,
i suppose that i sometimes forget that my comments do not easily convey the levity i intend when i post them. To that end, i add a smiley of some sort or another to help get the point across. Apparently, i have missed the mark. However, i realize that the internet is serious business so i will refrain from making further comments of the like directed especially at you. Good day.
Areautena/Rei
:I really don't care. I don't know if I'd post in it. I might share a few links, but that's it.
So make "OMG LOOK INTERNETS" threads so I can link you to the work-safe wonders of japan and flash or something.
Adam
:Wootage going out to Madam Mayhem!
Meme
:yes, i thought you'd like that.
Meme
:hugs? what did i do to deserve hugs? you're going to lose Adam's new-found admiration of you if you go around encouraging me like that...
Ziggy (frenchfry)
:i put i think the comments are good enought... - and it seems my vote broke the tie (it was like 328, yes....and 329, the comments are fine - after i voted)
Adam
:Returns the r0xx0r with ultimate pwn 1337 admin h4x0r for Madam Mayhem...and Meme...dear Meme..how can I dislike you? You are the only one on this site that challenges meto that ultimado degree...and I like a challenge...(another reason for me marrying a Londoner :) )
Tia
:Well Graeme, I personally like the site how it is, but if you feel a forum would be best (in addition) to this site then I'm all for that too.
I have a question:
r0xx0r? h4x0r?
What in the world....?!
Adam
:Welcome to the world of the 1337 pwn3r Tia...apparently it is somewhat fun and will be extremely apparent on this site if a forum is included
I am mary! flee!
:i think the forum is a great idea ^^
but don't ditch the comments...
ya see, the forums can be for posting links, but you'll never ditch the comments!
Tia
:Ugh Adam! I feel like an old lady trying to learn text phone language!
Tia
:I think, judging by the results that people like the site the way it is or would not prefer a forum. Well I would say I do appreciate the one page format where we can see all the comments at once and dont have to file through masses and masses of pages full of one answer comments.
Like I said either/or is fine to me.
Daisy
:Hmm. I do like the idea of a forum [and the "nudge, nudge, wink wink" special games, although I don't think that's what you meant, a clean living young man like you ;-)] but I think you'd find that folks would have to check both comments and forum threads and there'd be an awful lot of duplication.
My pet mantra is "If it ain't broke don't fix it" but I'd vote for give it a go and see how it works.
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